HTML Email

Hey everyone,
This is less of a GTD question than a general email question. I can't seem to find how to make HTML emails on a mac without 3rd party software. Any tips? This has been on my @R&D @Computer list forever!!
 
HTML e-mail? What for?

I do not think we need HTML e-mails.
I always send short, single subject, plaint-text messages.
I always convert received HTML messages to plain text before reading.
 
TesTeq;57651 said:
I do not think we need HTML e-mails.

I used to abhor HTML in emails, until I started receiving email newsletters. Sometimes, HTML just makes those much easier to read, no matter how well the plain-text is formatted. Bulleted and numbered lists, as well as tables, are much easier to read in HTML.

So, there's sometimes a use for it.
 
Brent;57647 said:
If you're using Apple Mail, go to Preferences > Composing, and change "Message Format" to "Rich Text."

Really?? But I'm talking about like columns, graphics, fully decked out HTML emails that look like and read like a newsletter.
 
Brent;57653 said:
I used to abhor HTML in emails, until I started receiving email newsletters. Sometimes, HTML just makes those much easier to read, no matter how well the plain-text is formatted. Bulleted and numbered lists, as well as tables, are much easier to read in HTML.

So, there's sometimes a use for it.

They're "in" alright! All the subscriptions I have typically at the very least have their own background color, columns, etc. something to jazz up the newsletter to make it more attractive than just "formatted text" -- graphics, borders, etc. Web page design stuff.
 
validatelife;57666 said:
Really?? But I'm talking about like columns, graphics, fully decked out HTML emails that look like and read like a newsletter.

Yes, that's what that setting enables.
 
HTML email is HTML

Most HTML emails are just small web pages sent to you via a mass email system. Some email programs give you things like columns, background colors all that. Mozilla Thunderbird will create HTML email in a manner that you are talking about. If you want to switch email apps it may be just the ticket.
http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/thunderbird/

The majority of HTML email you receive is created much as you would a regular web page (BBEdit, Dreamweaver...). There are ways for you to send HTML email through mail.app you can reference this article but it starts with creating HTML outside of mail.app: http://creativebits.org/HTML_email_with_Mailapp_in_Tiger
 
Brent;57669 said:
Yes, that's what that setting enables.

Wow, forgot how potent good ol' apple's "mail" program is! Hey, what else could you expect than a solid, extensible, simple, but highly feature-loaded program from applle?! I'm still interested in just using gmail webmail and haven't cracked open the stand-alone mail app for awhile and want ot avoid that, but awesome to know about that mac mail advanced HTML feature!! thanks.
 
validatelife;57691 said:
Wow, forgot how potent good ol' apple's "mail" program is! Hey, what else could you expect than a solid, extensible, simple, but highly feature-loaded program from applle?! I'm still interested in just using gmail webmail and haven't cracked open the stand-alone mail app for awhile and want ot avoid that, but awesome to know about that mac mail advanced HTML feature!! thanks.

*shrug* Outlook Express can do the same.

HTML is just text. It's a markup language, not a different format. In this day and age, I'd say supporting HTML mail is an essential feature, not something terribly impressive or advanced.

Katherine
 
kewms;57692 said:
*shrug* Outlook Express can do the same.

HTML is just text. It's a markup language, not a different format. In this day and age, I'd say supporting HTML mail is an essential feature, not something terribly impressive or advanced.

Katherine

Thanks for trying to explain that, kewms! However,in addition to designing numerous sites, I've written tutorials on web design, and familiar with CSS, javascript, and many areas of hyper-text mark-up language! So i'm very savvy with what HTML is! I've just only coded for sites, not emails yet. And yes, I agree, non-html emails are things of the past, if your email client doesn't support them, you need to get with the picture, and all forma newsletter-like emails MUST be html IMHO.

I know this is a help site, but it's amusing when I realize -- based on some of the responses I get -- that maybe I should be giving the advice instead of requesting it!! haha!! :rolleyes:

Thanks again.
 
Newsletter-like emails are the things of the past.

validatelife;57724 said:
non-html emails are things of the past, if your email client doesn't support them, you need to get with the picture, and all forma newsletter-like emails MUST be html IMHO.

I do not agree that "non-html emails are things of the past". HTML formatting simply adds clutter (obesity) to the information exchange.

You can mount roof rack to your bicycle but I do not think it is reasonable. :-)

For me e-mail is for meaningful information exchange - not for fancy formatting and marketing (by the way - I do not read any newsletter-like emails since these are the things of the past in the age of RSS readers, blogs and Web 2.0 social networking).
 
validatelife;57724 said:
I know this is a help site, but it's amusing when I realize -- based on some of the responses I get -- that maybe I should be giving the advice instead of requesting it!! haha!! :rolleyes:

Before you hurt yourself with all that eye-rolling, you might want to consider that this forum is about personal productivity; and, although many of us use computer technology to facilitate our productivity, it is not a tech forum.
 
jknecht;57731 said:
Before you hurt yourself with all that eye-rolling, you might want to consider that this forum is about personal productivity; and, although many of us use computer technology to facilitate our productivity, it is not a tech forum.

Yes, exactly.

And in particular, the post to which I was responding did not demonstrate a terribly high level of technical sophistication.

Katherine
 
Be very, very careful

I had some of the same questions some months ago when I wanted to start sending out html e-mail announcements of new products, special offers, etc. to customers and others who had signed up to receive them from time to time. Since I had built a couple of web sites I reasoned that I should be able to figure out how to code html e-mail. I learned that html e-mail is a different beast. Since the feature set of e-mail clients isn’t as robust as web browsers, there are limitations. Most e-mail clients don’t recognize div tags, for example, so you will use tables for layout.

I didn’t get very far into it, though, because of much bigger issues. If you are going to the trouble of preparing html-formatted e-mail, I presume that you are sending broadcast e-mails; ie. the same e-mail to many recipients. And here you need to tread very carefully, because you risk being labeled a “spammer” and that introduces very serious consequences. If a couple or few of your recipients report your e-mail as spam to AOL, for example, AOL could block any e-mail that you might send to any of their subscribers. You might protest that your e-mail isn’t spam; perhaps it isn’t commercial, perhaps it’s a newsletter, perhaps distributed only to friends, family members and acquaintences. And perhaps they had specifically requested that you send it to them. But spam is very much in the eye of the beholder. If at any time any of your recipients decide they no longer want to receive you e-mail and report it as spam, rather than unsubscribing, it will be considered spam by the various service providers with all the consequences that follow. You may not be subject to the $11,000 per incident penalties called for in the 2003 Can Spam act, but you could still be blocked from sending e-mail to anyone who is a subscriber with the larger service providers.

One common complaint I read is that some providers (AOL? Yahoo?) have very large SPAM reporting buttons located prominently at the top of the page and some folks—upon deciding that they no longer want to receive your e-mail—will simply click on that Spam button to remove themselves from your list, and without understanding the implications.

For these and other reasons, I decided to go with one of the commercial e-mail services instead of trying to deal with the legal ramifications myself. There are a few of them and I think they all offer a catalog of templates which enable you to compose your own html e-mail—and modify their templates, if you’re familiar with html.
 
TesTeq;57729 said:
I do not agree that "non-html emails are things of the past". HTML formatting simply adds clutter (obesity) to the information exchange.

You can mount roof rack to your bicycle but I do not think it is reasonable. :-)

For me e-mail is for meaningful information exchange - not for fancy formatting and marketing (by the way - I do not read any newsletter-like emails since these are the things of the past in the age of RSS readers, blogs and Web 2.0 social networking).

Well good for you expressing your opinion. For newsletters and bulk recipient emails, I think you're wrong, I think html is the only way to go, but just an opinion.

I've seen "bloated emails" but I think it streamlines bulk information, rather than make it more clunky (mounting roofrack to bike? strange analogy, but brought a goofy mental picture!:mrgreen: )

Good point about RSS, blogs, and those FAST forms of updates! However I have a cluster of people who like to keep up with me and some of my biz (call them close friends, family, fans, colleagues, what have you) and an html newsletter is most appropriate because many of them aren't "into the RSS and blog thing" due to unsavviness with computers. Many of them just know how to check email and play solitaire or something! Thanks again.

I do read a few newsletters (about 2-4 subscriptions) but actually like the idea of instead shifting to more RSS feeds . i love My Yahoo!'s customized news home page. That's great.

Thanks for the POVs!!
 
jknecht;57731 said:
Before you hurt yourself with all that eye-rolling, you might want to consider that this forum is about personal productivity; and, although many of us use computer technology to facilitate our productivity, it is not a tech forum.

Good point. Thanks for the reminder. After tons of posts to tech forums, I forgot the nature of this one! I recollect being aware of running that risk of posting a tech html email on this board. But I'm more interested in the productivity info nowadays!
 
kewms;57739 said:
Yes, exactly.

And in particular, the post to which I was responding did not demonstrate a terribly high level of technical sophistication.

Katherine

Well, katherine, some people just like to throw around tech-words to make themselves sound technically sophisticated when they may really only have a novice understanding of the tech stuff! ;)
 
smithdoug;57778 said:
I had some of the same questions some months ago when I wanted to start sending out html e-mail announcements of new products, special offers, etc. to customers and others who had signed up to receive them from time to time. Since I had built a couple of web sites I reasoned that I should be able to figure out how to code html e-mail. I learned that html e-mail is a different beast. Since the feature set of e-mail clients isn’t as robust as web browsers, there are limitations. Most e-mail clients don’t recognize div tags, for example, so you will use tables for layout.

I didn’t get very far into it, though, because of much bigger issues. If you are going to the trouble of preparing html-formatted e-mail, I presume that you are sending broadcast e-mails; ie. the same e-mail to many recipients. And here you need to tread very carefully, because you risk being labeled a “spammer” and that introduces very serious consequences. If a couple or few of your recipients report your e-mail as spam to AOL, for example, AOL could block any e-mail that you might send to any of their subscribers. You might protest that your e-mail isn’t spam; perhaps it isn’t commercial, perhaps it’s a newsletter, perhaps distributed only to friends, family members and acquaintences. And perhaps they had specifically requested that you send it to them. But spam is very much in the eye of the beholder. If at any time any of your recipients decide they no longer want to receive you e-mail and report it as spam, rather than unsubscribing, it will be considered spam by the various service providers with all the consequences that follow. You may not be subject to the $11,000 per incident penalties called for in the 2003 Can Spam act, but you could still be blocked from sending e-mail to anyone who is a subscriber with the larger service providers.

One common complaint I read is that some providers (AOL? Yahoo?) have very large SPAM reporting buttons located prominently at the top of the page and some folks—upon deciding that they no longer want to receive your e-mail—will simply click on that Spam button to remove themselves from your list, and without understanding the implications.

For these and other reasons, I decided to go with one of the commercial e-mail services instead of trying to deal with the legal ramifications myself. There are a few of them and I think they all offer a catalog of templates which enable you to compose your own html e-mail—and modify their templates, if you’re familiar with html.

Wow, smithdoug...THANKS! This was massively insightful and helpful. (Much more useful than someone writing to tell me what html stands for! lol:D ). I found your response encouraging me to take caution, and you provided very lucid explanations of how, if down incorrectly, my newsletter could get accidentally "spammed out" even by friends because of it's bulk-recipient nature. Thanks for these tips, smithdoug. You've helped me solve this problem!! I've created a PDF newsletter. I plan to send that out, see how that works, and then maybe integrate some html in, but I don't plan to use broadcast emails. Thanks again reminding me to be wary of interpreting HTML tags in email clients as "a different beast". I should have figured that would be so after tons of debugging of "frames, divs, tables, font-familys" and other attributes that are interpreted differently in different browsers. Those differences have been smoothed out now by w3c 4.01 standards, but I think I remember a time (late 90s) when even the simple line (HR) tag looked significantly different in different browsers! So i can imagine the hell of debugging html emails. I'm still interested in that, may do a low-tech html email, and not get too carried away with it.

Your advice hear was really aligning and served as a good reference for taking bearings on this project. Thanks! :D
 
Smithdoug, on the note of "odd html interepretations" I couldn't even put the /HR/
tag on the last email without it causing bad request 400 error (it wanted to interpret it as a tag)! All kinds of debugging occassionally. I forgot all the nuances of how to comment in tags and whatnot, too.
 
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