Reference Filing system out of control....

There’s a lot written about David Allen’s Reference Filing System.
There’s also a lot written about a Tickler File

Question 1: Are these two distinctly different filing systems?

There’s also a bit less writing about “project reference materials”. Do these go in the standard reference filing system?

Are my financial files completely separate, or part of one of the above?

What about ownership records? I mean house, vehicles, major appliances? Actually, financial and ownership records are almost my only paper records, the rest being electronic.

Let me explain what I’m doing now, which I think isn’t working.

About 95% of what I call my “Reference Filing system” is computer files. So, on my largest desktop computer which I use as a file server, I have a “Reference” Folder. It worked out well for a while, but then I think I put too much stuff in it.

My work covers a huge variety of fields. Electronics, yes, but that’s huge in itself. Within electronics, I do teaching of computer design, and I do sound system engineering (no overlap), and I plan radio tower installations (nothing in common with the other two). My interactions are more people-driven than technology, so my time is not spent so much at the workbench/design lab, but instead, planning music festivals, helping startup companies get off the ground, etc. My technology background is simply a set of skills/tools I use to get the “people work” done.

So, my reference library is HUGE! 27 folders alone, for documents relating to some of my health conditions. Another 175 with ‘technical’ stuff, like textbooks in PDF form, theory, “how to design this kind of thing”, legal references. Engineering software tools are challenging – they don’t’ get updated often, and frequently, if you install one, it back-dates some of the existing windows files and other apps quit working. So, I install the software, use it, then un-install and restore the machine to an earlier time. I have those software apps in the Refence folder as well, but I don’t think of them as references, but tools. So, their folders are labeled Tool.software. Further, the owner/repair manuals for pieces of test equipment and vehicles – yep, they’re in reference as well. The entire folder has nearly 600 sub-folders.

I tried a naming convention:
Ref.item for genuine reference
Proj.item for files related to a specific project
Arch.item for closed projects, but whose materials may be useful later
Tools.item for things like my spreadsheets that I use for project tracking
Tools.item also for various software utilities that I use, then remove when done

Somehow, I think I haven’t completely sorted this out. What’s a good way to have “only” reference materials in reference? And, what do you think of a separate set of folders for “project reference materials”

As I'm going through 20 years of clutter, I just came across my college transcripts, and a lovely collection of printed programs from jazz concerts I've attended. Reference files also?

My projects may be an afternoon or several years. And I’m never able to predict which of my projects will come back to me – I get inquiries frequently based on papers I published in the late 1980s!

By the way, this is a solo effort…I left the “day job” scene a few years ago, but even then, never had any form of assistant.

Any creative thoughts appreciated!

And, if you read this far, THANK YOU!!!

PNW
 
PNWAudioCrafter said:
There’s a lot written about David Allen’s Reference Filing System.
There’s also a lot written about a Tickler File

Question 1: Are these two distinctly different filing systems?

Yes for me the tickler is a single set of 41 folders for things for this coming year. 1 for each month and one for each day of the current month. I have a paper tickler file. Active_Projects is a place for the project support material folders for my current active projects. Everything else is reference.

PNWAudioCrafter said:
There’s also a bit less writing about “project reference materials”. Do these go in the standard reference filing system?
All project support for a someday/maybe project is in Reference. Only files I keep separate are the current active projects and they are in a folder called Active_Projects

PNWAudioCrafter said:
Are my financial files completely separate, or part of one of the above?
Part of Reference for me. I do keep things with social security numbers and other sensitive information like health records and so on in an encrypted folder for security.

PNWAudioCrafter said:
What about ownership records? I mean house, vehicles, major appliances? Actually, financial and ownership records are almost my only paper records, the rest being electronic.

All reference for me

PNWAudioCrafter said:
About 95% of what I call my “Reference Filing system” is computer files. So, on my largest desktop computer which I use as a file server, I have a “Reference” Folder. It worked out well for a while, but then I think I put too much stuff in it.

My work covers a huge variety of fields. .....

So, my reference library is HUGE! 27 folders alone, for documents relating to some of my health conditions. Another 175 with ‘technical’ stuff, like textbooks in PDF form, theory, “how to design this kind of thing”, legal references. Engineering software tools are challenging - they don’t’ get updated often, and frequently, if you install one, it back-dates some of the existing windows files and other apps quit working. So, I install the software, use it, then un-install and restore the machine to an earlier time. I have those software apps in the Refence folder as well, but I don’t think of them as references, but tools. So, their folders are labeled Tool.software. Further, the owner/repair manuals for pieces of test equipment and vehicles - yep, they’re in reference as well. The entire folder has nearly 600 sub-folders.

That doesn't sound huge to me at all. I just did a quick rough order of magnitude count of my 5 top level filing folders, reference, active projects and the 3 for the 3 organizations I am an officer of. The organization ones combined are at about 300 folders. Reference is at about 1500 folders and I have about 100 in Active_Projects. Total space about 200 GB. Plus I have 5 file cabinets for the paper documents. Almost all of our equipment manuals are on paper because when I need one I may not have a computer around and no internet access to go googling for something.

PNWAudioCrafter said:
As I'm going through 20 years of clutter, I just came across my college transcripts, and a lovely collection of printed programs from jazz concerts I've attended. Reference files also?
Yes that would be reference for me as well.
 
PNWAudioCrafter said:
There’s a lot written about David Allen’s Reference Filing System.
There’s also a lot written about a Tickler File

Question 1: Are these two distinctly different filing systems?

There’s also a bit less writing about “project reference materials”. Do these go in the standard reference filing system?

Are my financial files completely separate, or part of one of the above?

What about ownership records? I mean house, vehicles, major appliances? Actually, financial and ownership records are almost my only paper records, the rest being electronic.

Hi, PNW!

Maybe it's just because it's almost lunchtime, but your post is like a buffet... not the ridiculous Vegas ones... the yummy, oh-my-god-where-should-I-start ones.

First I have to say that all of my electronic reference is in Evernote. The search feature is so robust that I don't need to put anything in folders or divide it. I especially love that it OCRs my handwriting so all of my meeting notes are searchable, too, without retyping.

OK... here's what works for me and my paper-based system:
TICKLER
Concert tickets for next Saturday?... Saturday's tickler
End of day Friday, I open that folder and throw the contents into my inbox for the next day.

That card for dad's birthday four months from now?... May's tickler
April 25th-ish, I go through May's folder. Hey, I want to mail that card on the 20th, so I put it in the folder for the 20th.

PAPER REFERENCE
Financial files are scanned in Evernote, purged within an inch of their little lives then filed in plastic boxes in the closet. This applies to ownership records for properties we no longer own as well. After purging I label each section with "shred after __(date)___" so I can quickly glance at the boxes periodically and not have to think about what can go.

Manuals are also in a plastic box in the closet. Most are available online and once the product has bitten the proverbial dust, I fish out the manual and bury them both.

A-Z in big filing cabinet... health records, contracts, current ownership records, anything paper that isn't one of the above goes in the cabinet. I try to cull through them and purge annually. There's also a drawer for current (paper) keepsakes. When that drawer fills up, I pack them in a box and store them.​

And, just because you mentioned programs from jazz concerts, I've kept every program and every ticket from every concert, movie, stage play, opera, musical, exhibition and well-intentioned piece of performance art since I was a child. Oh, yeah. And some day when someone asks me if I ever saw Debbie Reynolds in "Annie Get Your Gun" I'm gonna say, "Why, yes! Would you like to see the program?" :)

Good, good, good questions!

Dena
 
Oogiem said:
Yes for me the tickler is a single set of 41 folders for things for this coming year. 1 for each month and one for each day of the current month. I have a paper tickler file. Active_Projects is a place for the project support material folders for my current active projects. Everything else is reference.

All project support for a someday/maybe project is in Reference. Only files I keep separate are the current active projects and they are in a folder called Active_Projects

Part of Reference for me. I do keep things with social security numbers and other sensitive information like health records and so on in an encrypted folder for security.

All reference for me

That doesn't sound huge to me at all. I just did a quick rough order of magnitude count of my 5 top level filing folders, reference, active projects and the 3 for the 3 organizations I am an officer of. The organization ones combined are at about 300 folders. Reference is at about 1500 folders and I have about 100 in Active_Projects. Total space about 200 GB. Plus I have 5 file cabinets for the paper documents. Almost all of our equipment manuals are on paper because when I need one I may not have a computer around and no internet access to go googling for something.

Yes that would be reference for me as well.

Hey wait, you said "my 5 top level filing folders". I don't have 5 top level. I have ONE. Everything is underneath it. Can you tell me what your five are? I probably won't use the same five, but I'll get an idea about it.

I'm not sure I'd put my financial stuff in the "reference" category at all because that's something that lives and breathes, with investment decisions changed at least monthly and a living breathing action-oriented plan being followed. Possibly it's simply an active project file, but it's a different one for me, because it's shared between me and my life partner...not true for anything else in my system.

Thanks!
 
DenaDahilig said:
Hi, PNW!

Maybe it's just because it's almost lunchtime, but your post is like a buffet... not the ridiculous Vegas ones... the yummy, oh-my-god-where-should-I-start ones.

First I have to say that all of my electronic reference is in Evernote. The search feature is so robust that I don't need to put anything in folders or divide it. I especially love that it OCRs my handwriting so all of my meeting notes are searchable, too, without retyping.

OK... here's what works for me and my paper-based system:
TICKLER
Concert tickets for next Saturday?... Saturday's tickler
End of day Friday, I open that folder and throw the contents into my inbox for the next day.

That card for dad's birthday four months from now?... May's tickler
April 25th-ish, I go through May's folder. Hey, I want to mail that card on the 20th, so I put it in the folder for the 20th.

PAPER REFERENCE
Financial files are scanned in Evernote, purged within an inch of their little lives then filed in plastic boxes in the closet. This applies to ownership records for properties we no longer own as well. After purging I label each section with "shred after __(date)___" so I can quickly glance at the boxes periodically and not have to think about what can go.

Manuals are also in a plastic box in the closet. Most are available online and once the product has bitten the proverbial dust, I fish out the manual and bury them both.

A-Z in big filing cabinet... health records, contracts, current ownership records, anything paper that isn't one of the above goes in the cabinet. I try to cull through them and purge annually. There's also a drawer for current (paper) keepsakes. When that drawer fills up, I pack them in a box and store them.​

And, just because you mentioned programs from jazz concerts, I've kept every program and every ticket from every concert, movie, stage play, opera, musical, exhibition and well-intentioned piece of performance art since I was a child. Oh, yeah. And some day when someone asks me if I ever saw Debbie Reynolds in "Annie Get Your Gun" I'm gonna say, "Why, yes! Would you like to see the program?" :)

Good, good, good questions!

Dena

I've had plenty of folks recommend Evernote, and I've tried it several times. I struggle with it because there's so much clipping/scanning involved. I take notes at meetings with a tablet and bluetooth keyboard...so they're already in computer-readable format. But...it's a system based on knowing what keywords to search for, and I've never found that useful. If I'm working a project in the field of ceramics, my brain is trying to recall what other time I needed to align stuff that's hexagonal in shape....man, I can't figure it out. And I certainly wouldn't have thought of using "hexagonal" as a keyword to store the finished project, especially if it was 20 years ago. So, I do better if I can scroll down a list of several hundred archived projects by name, and the name conjures up the image of the project....and voila there it is! That industrial bolt sorter I helped design, 20 years ago, most certainly required a method for physically aligning hexagonal bolt heads!

I have found nothing about Evernote to give me usefulness that I don't get by using Excel to plan/manage projects, and ToodleDo to keep my list of tasks in whatever order I want them....although that, too is out of control.
 
PNWAudioCrafter said:
Hey wait, you said "my 5 top level filing folders". I don't have 5 top level. I have ONE. Everything is underneath it. Can you tell me what your five are? I probably won't use the same five, but I'll get an idea about it.

I'm not sure I'd put my financial stuff in the "reference" category at all because that's something that lives and breathes, with investment decisions changed at least monthly and a living breathing action-oriented plan being followed. Possibly it's simply an active project file, but it's a different one for me, because it's shared between me and my life partner...not true for anything else in my system.

Thanks!

I ignore the "Top Level" of Documents that is the default for Mac systems. So my top level folders are:
Active_Projects
Reference
NFHS_File_Cabinet
ABWMSA_File_Cabinet
TDRC_File_Cabinet

The last 3 are associations where I am an officer. I hope I will eventually hand those folders off to the next person in the barrel as an officer of those organizations. ;-)

I will confess that right now I have sevearwl more that are in the "top level"

2016_Oogie_Pictures
2015_Oogie_Pictures

These are being evaluated I have a lot of automatic filing and categorising that works on these folders so not sure I wnat o chage them at this point.

Kate_Hard_Drive_Contents - Stuff from when my mother passed away in 1998. I am slowly working through it, it's emotionally draining. What is left are things that are important to save (ditch company files) but also need conversion to new formats to maintain ability to read them and also bring up lots o f memories. I am lucky if I can work on them for an hour or 2 a day. I call this backlog.

DEVONThink_Databases - Where I originally put my DT data. I am considering moving them toActive_Prohects but not usre yet. It will take a lot to reset the backup and other automatic procedures that affect these so they are also almost backlog, at least dealing with re-name or moving them is backlog.

TDRC Needs CLeaning - Lots of old backlog that I am slowly sorting, much is trash, some ends up int eh TDRC file above.

Desert Weyr - My old fam folder, now contains backlog I am slowly moving/renaming into more accurate locations

Chronosync Documents - Scripts for this app. Will be moved and renamed once I get the whole backup/sync backlog cleaned up.

X_Water_Case - lots of backlog of all sorts of court documents I need to decide on keeping, rename and file for a water court battle we were in.

Regarding the financial file. I am the one that does 90% of the grunt work related to managing the finances. And so it makes sense for it to be in my filing system but my hubby can access it all. They are kept in the secured file cabinet that is actually I guess a 6th Top Level Folder.

Hope that helps.
 
Hi: I just picked up on what you mention about engineering software and having to uninstall them after use to keep the operating system itself up-to-date: have you thought about running theses sofware packages in a virtual OS? I'm a Linux user but I load up Windows XP using Oracle VirtualBox to use a special package for my job. It's as if the whole XP is just a big application and you close it when you're done and it lives then in a file on disk. You could even have a separate vitual OS for each package, if for example they use different versions of .NET, or whatever it may be. Just a thought.
 
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