rossw;66813 said:
I suspect that this is one of those distinctions that seems blindingly obvious at stupid o'clock and seems a bit fuzzier in the cold light of day.
"Stupid o'clock". I've got to remember that one. I've written things then as well!
rossw;66813 said:
The train of thought was something like:
1. Shoshanna brought up the subject as "the OCD'ish elements of GTD".
2. I read "OCD'ish" as "like OCD"
3. "like" suggests a simile, throwing light on an aspect of a subject by raising similarities with another, vivid and generally understood concept.
An analogy is more than just a figure of speech: it's a form of argument implying that if two things are alike in one way, they are alike in others as well.
Possibly rather a nice point.
Yeah, that was where I got stuck. I understand how you differentiate simile and analogy. I just wonder if, after I read more about the distinctions, I will reach the same way of looking at it. In fact, I seldom use the term "simile" and most often use "metaphor" or "analogy". I guess I do see both analogy and metaphor as tools of argument while I think of simile as more a linguistic "device" ... more a tool of art than argument.
rossw;66813 said:
In any case, this was clearly a throwaway comment that got argued into something larger than originally intended. I'm sure you would not choose it as either a simile or an analogy, as it is loaded in a number of ways:
1. some of us may struggle with this disorder in our personal lives: you probably don't want to use a serious personal affliction to make a point in a friendly argument
I see your point. I think that some of these psychological terms have devolved from being somewhat scientific to being now pop-psychology and so are used to describe behavior which is only very mildly related to that intended by the original usage. You see this with "dyslexia", which I claim to have because I more than occasionally reverse numbers and letters. However, I would not come near meeting the clinical standard of "dyslexic". Likewise, I have always had behavior and processing "glitches" which are loosely associated with ADD or ADHD. I often use those terms to refer to myself but I am much more highly functioning than those who are clinically diagnosed.
We use the term "depressed" very loosely, as well. There are many such examples. I suppose one could drop that kind of usage and instead list all of the behaviors one is thinking of ... but that would be a bit tedious.
But to clarify again, I don't believe that one has to have OCD in order to use GTD, or even to want to use GTD. I also don't thing GTD causes OCD. I do think that excessive fussing with any system instead of doing what needs to be done is procrastinating and that is a symptom of any number of things ... mostly lack of motivation for the task at hand as well as possibly some attention defect and problems with focus. Those last two are almost part of our culture today!
rossw;66813 said:
2. most of us on this forum are intensely, personally committed to GTD as a keystone of our lives. Linking this to a serious medical disorder is less than tactful. And it's unlikely to open our minds to a rational and genuine attempt to understand your argument. However much we may dress up our naked screams of protest in the respectable garments of thoughtful debate
Point taken. My initial reason for responding had to do with something that has been annoying me for some time. It takes the form of:
"I read over some of the description of AutoFocus. (But I could not be bothered to read carefully or completely.) Having done that, I decided not to try it because with that limited information I have decided that it cannot possibly work, for anyone anywhere at anytime. And, not having experience with it nor understanding what it is, I feel in a position to state my expert opinion to all within ear shot."
Now I hope you realize that deliberate hyperbole is intended both to inject some levity and also to point out the effect of some of the comments I've seen (and in no way is a quotation of anyone here or elsewhere). I mean, how exasperating would it feel if someone said:
"GTD? Oh, that is where you make up a bunch of TO DO lists for phone calls and stuff and try to keep an empty inbox. Good grief, I'm having enough trouble with one list, I'd sink if I had a dozen."
OMG, those who really work with the GTD system would have a cow! It is a complete misrepresentation and no one could possibly evaluate if they might benefit from using GTD if that was what they thought GTD was.
I have no argument with anyone saying that any system works or does not work for them. (I have argued in the past that no system works for everyone ... these systems (time management systems) tend to work best for those who think much like the person's who developed them. That is to say, David Allen is probably a very detailed and methodical planner. Those who plan and are detailed and methodical will probably find joy in GTD. Mark Forster describes himself as being more intuitive. So those who are a bit more "loosey goosey" and intuitive will probably find eternal bliss using AF. Then there are those like me for whom no explanation works. ;-)
That said, I feel that if any system is to be discussed (be it GTD, or Covey, or DIT, or AutoFocus, or Lakein, or ...) the system should be described accurately. That is really all I was attempting to accomplish. The title of the thread is "GTD and AutoFocus" and I thought that the description of AutoFocus fell short of providing an accurate basis to compare and contrast it with GTD. AF is a TO DO list, but it is not JUST a TO DO list. That is so because of the rules used to process the items on it. They are not processed sequentially until completed. If one follows the rules of AF, the simple TO DO list works differently than it used to. Without that understanding one is evaluating a straw man. I'm all for criticizing any system ... and I have criticized them all ... I just think that one gains something when one criticizes the actual system, rather than a misunderstood version of it. I think it is good that people who love GTD are evaluating what AF might have to offer. If it offers something great, if not, that is great too. It just might be hard to make that determination if the actual system is not presented.
I might also add that I don't see any point in arguing that someone happy with one system is wrong and needs to switch to a different system. Any system is better than no system, and a system which meshes with your way of thinking is better than one which does not.