Beyond 10,000 ft

Mikael

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Hey.
Kind of new to GTD but have been using the methodology for some time now.
I must admit that it was life changing to get everything out of my head, all of my projects defined in one place and a method to follow where I really got thing done! I still have a 120Mb mail box but I feel much more stress free about it – yes it should be zero inbox but I’m not there yet ;=)
As I search the net for good hardware/software to use I found tons of information and good programs handling the ‘Runway’ and ‘project’ level . Almost everything I come across regarding GTD is about this levels ! Of course this is where all the things is getting done but I am not sure that the right things is getting done. What about the 20,000-50,000 levels ? I lack information on how to use this levels to steer NextAction/projects to what is really important. If you don’t take this levels into account when prioritizing Actions you will never reach the important and meaningful stuff. You will just end up doing some Reactive behaviour but a little more sophisticated !
Where do I find beyond 10,000 ft material ?
 

ellobogrande

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Congratulations on a successful start to your journey. You're learning the moves to knowledge work athletics.

Before you worry too much about the higher altitudes, make sure you get the first two completely under control. If you're still filing anything in your head, you'll have a harder time focusing on the higher altitudes.

The book discusses these higher altitudes briefly but essentially the same rules apply to areas of focus, goals, and purpose. You need a complete inventory of all of them outside of your head and you need to review them regularly to see if they are the way you want them to be...and if they are not, you need to define some projects and next actions to get them back on track. You can use lists, mindmaps, or any other way you choose to create this inventory. I attached a sample mind map of David Allen's focus areas at one point in his life to this post.

My 20,000 ft areas of focus include:

  • Career
  • Finances
  • Health and Vitality
  • Home
  • Personal Growth
  • Recreation
  • Relationships
  • Roles
    • Christian
    • Employee
    • GTD Coach
    • Husband
    • Son
    • Systems Analyst (my Job Description)

Notice I only have about 6-8 key areas. I've broken it down further in a mind map to help trigger thoughts when I review this list, but these are the primary components.

Once a month I look at this list and ask myself how I'm doing in these areas of my life. I identify the weak areas, decide to make them better, clarify my outcome, and decide the next action. I do the same things with areas that aren't weak but I want to take them to the next level.

I also do the same thing with things like my 30,000 and 40,000 goals like short-term fitness goals or long-term financial goals. Goal setting techniques are not heavily discussed in GTD; you might have to turn to some other experts for advice on how to set effective goals for yourself. Anthony Robbins has done some brilliant work in this area. You might want to check out Personal Power for some insights.

As far as your 50,000 ft life purpose, you can start by deciding what you want your life to mean now even if it's something as simple as a resolutions like "I will live a life of joy, service, and fulfillment". Your mission in life evolves, and your goals evolve around them. It's important to define and clarify the meaning of these things as the thoughts form in your mind.

But just try to think about your goals when you've got a hundred things running around in your head. It's no wonder I had such trouble setting goals before GTD. So, get that e-mail Inbox to zero, empty it daily, and file nothing in your head. You'll notice that your brain starts to graduate into these higher areas naturally, and as you clarify them you'll tap more into the juice of life and get more and more excited.

Best of luck!

Attached files
 

dschaffner

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Mikael;61457 said:
What about the 20,000-50,000 levels ? I lack information on how to use this levels to steer NextAction/projects to what is really important.

The advanced workflow diagram (http://www.davidco.com/store/catalog/WorkFlow-Diagram-Advanced-p-16193.php) has a concise summary:

50,000+ feet (life)
40,000 feet (3-5 year visions)
30,000 feet (1-2 year goals)
20,000 feet (areas of responsibility)

If you have clear visions and goals for these items, and you look at them regularly during your weekly, monthly, quarterly, yearly reviews, they should begin to steer things at the lower levels naturally.

- Don
 

Brent

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Regarding specific systems for defining and tracking the higher levels:

I've found it's highly individual. Each person has his or her own system, and it's relatively ad hoc. Fortunately, you won't have nearly as many Areas of Focus as Next Actions, so you don't need a powerful system. Also, your Areas of Focus will change infrequently.

Personally, I have pieces of paper stuck high on one wall of my studio; each piece of paper has an Area of Focus written on it in big letters. I glance at this occasionally, and I use it during my weekly review to remind myself to include at least one Project for each Area of Focus.

A few other ways to keep track of Areas of Focus:

  • Notebook
  • Mind Map
  • Text file
  • Index cards
 

flameup

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ellobogrande, is link to the PDF file you have added to the post can be found somewhere in the interenet?
 

ellobogrande

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flameup;61524 said:
ellobogrande, is link to the PDF file you have added to the post can be found somewhere in the interenet?

Sorry, no. The image I attached is a JPG screen shot that I captured from an online seminar about mind mapping.
 

Instigase

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ellobogrande;61459 said:
But just try to think about your goals when you've got a hundred things running around in your head. It's no wonder I had such trouble setting goals before GTD. So, get that e-mail Inbox to zero, empty it daily, and file nothing in your head. You'll notice that your brain starts to graduate into these higher areas naturally, and as you clarify them you'll tap more into the juice of life and get more and more excited.

Mikael
I'm sure you have already discovered that you can focus more intently on the task at hand. As your system matures and (more importantly) your *habits* of workflow processing develop you will find that you can switch tasks with little to no effort.

What I found as the habits of workflow processing became more ingrained in my life is that I am more aware about the higher levels and areas of focus. This awareness, becomes intuition and guides my decision making - wether to begin or refuse a project because it does or does not align with those higher level goals.

Like ellobogrande and others, I too review these roles and areas of focus periodically. I do this to review and evaluate my intution and refocus on areas that have been negected or need renewal.

As many wise GTDers have said, GTD is a set of habits, not tools. I , like ellobogrande and others, I too review these roles and areas of focus periodically. I do this to review and evaluate my intution and refocus on areas that have been negected or need renewal. I dont think it is too early in the process to do this review. However don't confuse this review with the "weekly review" of your runway level projects and next actions. The review for higher levels may need to be done separately when you can devote a block of time and are in a frame of mind to do so.

I have been doing a retreat/think weekend every year now to review this list. I originally wrote about it here: http://www.43folders.com/forum/2006/01/30/my-own-think-weekend

While it has changed in format: I dont bring as much stuff, I dropped the internet access this year and I acknowlege that some of the weekend is simply a retreat to allow myself to relax and focus. I've been doing it for three years now and it has done me and my family lots of good.

Congratulations on a great start and good luck.
 

jpm

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I've read through this thread a couple of times and I think there are a couple of key issues that have been missed. (Well maybe not but they are issues I've struggled with so they may be of use to somebody else.)

First, the thing I would recommend is not to wait until you have mastered workflow to start thinking about higher altitudes. It's on your mind for a reason so go ahead and put some thought into it. Don't worry about getting it perfect, just focus on getting it better. I've been GTD'ing for almost four years now and I'm far from perfect but constantly improving at all levels. The more you use GTD the better you will get at all levels.

One of the reasons I think higher levels are so important is that GTD can lead you to a bias toward action. This can result in very long next action and project lists which can quickly become unmanageable and overwhelming. The most important place to know your higher altitudes is when you're processing your inbox and you pick up the next "stuff" and ask yourself the question "What is it? Is it actionable?"

Without a clear set of higher altitude priorities, I think people have a tendancy to answer the second question "Yes" far, far, far to often. I know when I first started GTD I did. I sometimes have a tendancy to still do that. (I schedule a friday morning every month to do a 20,000 ft review where I go through my projects list and identify projects that don't align with higher altitudes to drop.)

This part of altitudes is all about having the discipline to say NO. It's a two letter word that should probably be a lot more frequently by many of us.

Looking at the advance workflow diagram, when you have 300-400 inputs per day and if most of those are actionable, then even if they are only two minute actions you're looking at 10-14 hours of work per day just processing your inbox. If a few of them take longer than 2-5 minutes your in real trouble.

Hitting that hook shot to the circular file or the electronic equivilent DELETE is much faster and can result in a lot more stress free productivity...

The second place that I think altitudes need to come into play is in the do phase. Take a look again at the advanced workflow diagram. In the middle of this section are the words: "PREDEFINED WORK (takes discipline)". This means either working from your list or your calendar. The one area where I think GTD misses things is the importance of blocking time on your calendar for you most important outcomes. Not everything needs to go on the calendar, but I find that I make more progress toward my most important outcomes when I schedule time on the calendar to focus on them.

hope this helps...
 

Brent

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100%, violent agreement with everything that jpm wrote.

I also want to publicly express my love of the term "circular file" for the trash can.
 

Mikael

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Combining methods

Thanks a lot for all your responses on beyond 10,000 !
I came to a point, just as "jmp" warned of, were my action and project lists just got to big for me to handle. This created a big stress not being able to handle all this things. I followed "ellobogrande" advice and listen to Anthony Robbins and I also found that Franklin Coveys 'First things first' and the '7 habits ...' was very useful knowledge. It was for me kind of "bullseye" ! I really recommend you listen to this material. Using this insight I think I will be able to really target the projects that are important and at the same time be able to understand and accept dropping the projects that I actually don't need and not feel guilty about it.
I think a merge between Franklin Covey and GTD would be a perfect methodology ?! Has anyone tried combining these two and would it be a realistic way of planning ?

Regard Mikael
 

jknecht

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Mikael;61649 said:
I think a merge between Franklin Covey and GTD would be a perfect methodology ?! Has anyone tried combining these two and would it be a realistic way of planning ?

I've been playing with this for about half a year now, and I think it works fantastically.

GTD is great at the runway level, but it only provides a framework for the higher levels. F/C provides a methodology at the higher altitudes, but is not so hot at the runway.

The point where they merge (daily planning) is where it gets interesting.

At the start of each week, I identify several projects from my GTD projects list that I want to focus on for the week. I mark these down on a 'weekly compass'.

Next, I decide how far I want to get on each project (identifying milestones). Then I plan for each day what milestones I need to accomplish in order to meet my weekly goal. I don't worry about setting priorities at this point... I just jot them down on the task list for that day.

One of the keys to the F/C system, and it definitely applies here, is the daily review. I spend 15 minutes at the beginning of each day to review the day's appointments, the weekly compass, the planned "big rocks" for the next couple of days, and my current GTD projects and next actions. I also add any next actions that have become urgent to the day's list.

I work towards the milestones identified for the day before anything else. When I hit a break point which prevents me from working further towards any of the day's milestones, or if I reach them all, or if I just need a mental break, then I work from my GTD next actions list.

The really interesting thing that I learned from this is that GTD really helped me define my roles, goals, values, and purpose (stuff that I had struggled with when F/C was my primary approach). Just by looking at each project that I had committed to, and asking, "why is this important to me?" I was able to define my higher altitudes, and that helped me reduce the amount of less-than-important work in my life.
 

Mikael

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Thank you for your response !
I know that this is probably the wrong forum ;=) but may I ask what kind of HW/SW you use ?
I'm looking for a good system to use but I just can't decide :twisted:
Currently using Excel.
 

damianp

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Hybrid GTD and Covey

I've been working with a hybrid of GTD and Covey for a few years. I use GTD for organising the runway level & 10,000. The Covey elements help me prioritise & work out what the most important things are to pursue. Equally important is how I should be conducting myself in the execution of actions.

A couple of view points:

1) I use my calender (hard landscape) to capture 'big rock' events and activities. Whist these may not fall into the true GTD definition of time critical - having them there and working other Next Actions around them is really beneficial.

2) For me Seven Habits is broader and deeper for example the habit of 'seeking first to understand and then be understood' is incredibly powerful and complimentary for GTD. It took me a while to accept in my own mind that I could have a hybrid system - I'm really glad I did.

3) The 40,000 and 50,000 elements of GTD for me are the weaker components of the book. I'm interested if this gets picked up in more detail in the new DA book. I've read and listened to other work from DA and typically he has bright and insightful contributions to make. I know the book will be on my wish list for the holiday season.
 

ArcCaster

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What a great thread! I am wrestling with the same conflicts -- thanks for the thoughts.

I agree that looking at projects does provide insight into higher levels -- that is, you can abstract roles and values from where you are spending your time. Equally interesting, once you abstract those roles and values from actual physical commitments of time and energy (projects and next actions), you can see what is missing. That starts the thinking process, which can then lead to different allocations of time and energy, different projects.

Rob
 

Mikael

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Mission your self to the right airport

I just picked up Anthony Robbins Getting the Edge and Personal Power.
There seems to be lots of 40,000 and 50,000 level stuff here !
Have any of you listen to his material ? Don't know if it complements F/C or are in conflict but very interesting anyhow.
I totally agree that by "implementing" F/C habits it has a tremendous impact on what projects goes into the list and when they will be executed.
I'm trying to filter every project through the 'First Things First' habit but I guess it takes sometime to get the feel of what quadrant projects/actions really belongs to. How do you use FTF habit ?
-Mikael
 

jpm

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Hybrid systems

Tony Robbins Time of Your Life product has an excellent discussion of higher altitudes. Once you map the vocabulary of the systems you'll discover that they are completely compatible. Tony advocates a top down approach while David goes bottom up. I've found that I needed both or neither was very effective. I highly recommend the audio series, but not the software (not even sure the software is still available).
 

trisht

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TOYL - GTD Hybrid

I've recently gone through the exercise of mapping TOYL to GTD and agree that the two systems are a must. (am going to go re-read Covey based on the post above).

FWIW, here is how I map the two systems, I'd love comments from others on this:

GTD == TOYL

50,000 = Ultimate Vision / Purpose
40,000 =
20,000 = Roles
30,000 = 3 to thrive (I swapped 20 and 30 intentionally b/c I have outcomes for each role)
10,000 = Current RPM Projects
Runway = Actions

Currently, I keep the 50-10k in My Life Organized. I'm working on syncing this with the Outlook GTD Add-in but it doesn't work well. I tend to use Outlook for day to day and MLO for my weekly review.

keep me posted as your learn more. I'd love to compare notes
 

jpm

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trisht;61867 said:
FWIW, here is how I map the two systems, I'd love comments from others on this:

GTD == TOYL

There are different ways to map. Here's how I mapped them:

Runway = Next Action = Action Step
10,000 Ft = Project = OPA/RPM block
20,000 Ft = Objective = Project (Quarterly Goal)
30,000 Ft = Goal (1-2 year) = 1 year Goal
40,000 Ft = Vision (3-5 year goal) = Ultimate Outcomes from Categories of Improvement
50,000 Ft = Purpose/Principles = Ultimate Purpose/Driving Force

Here I've used the interpretation of 20,000 ft as Objective (e.g. a quarterly objective) instead of Role (I tend to think of dimensional analysis and this keeps each level in the hierarchy in the same dimension.

This is where I find the altitude metaphor breaks down. Roles are (for me) another dimension along a different hierarchy. (e.g. Focus Areas or Categories of Improvement)

I use Mind Manager for the higher altitudes and GTD Add-in for 10,000 ft and runway. The above model is really just a way to think about things, and I don't get too caught up in trying to break things down into multiple dimensions. Way too much overhead built into that...
 

sdann

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jpm;61869 said:
This is where I find the altitude metaphor breaks down. Roles are (for me) another dimension along a different hierarchy. (e.g. Focus Areas or Categories of Improvement)

This is interesting. You put roles/responsibilities into a separate grouping (in your case categories) like contexts are. It is almost as if these two lists are the framing.

I had always put my projects into categories, stemming back from when I was reading Tony Robbins - years ago. When I then determined my Horizons in GTD, I found that my areas of focus were almost identical to the categories I had defined in Tony Robbins.

Tony Robbins' method was great for the top, but I found the runway or the practical applications really lacking. This is why I'm such a GTD fan. I also see how the two can be meshed, but only at the higher levels.
 

jpm

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sdann;61871 said:
This is interesting. You put roles/responsibilities into a separate grouping (in your case categories) like contexts are. It is almost as if these two lists are the framing.

I've started and junked about six different replies to your post. Probably because it raises a bunch of questions that I've struggled with regarding GTD higher altitudes. I'm going to give it this one last shot and maybe I'll get it right... (I don't know if this will be of any interest to anyone, but it certainly helped me a great deal... ymmv...)

Altitudes are confusing because they are used (in GTD) as a shorthand for multiple concepts, not all of which (imho) are well captured by the altitude metaphor. The concepts are as follows:

Action: We tend to talk about next actions that occur at the runway, but there are planned actions, someday/maybes and project action steps that may occur at a later time. Actions are the physical actions taken to manifest the outcomes. (Cause & Effect).

Outcome: At every altitude (even the runway) there is an outcome (effect) for every action (cause). We call these outcomes projects, objectives, goals, etc. but they are all outcomes, at the higher altitudes they simply have multiple prerequisite outcomes that must be achieved first.

The breakthrough for me happened when I brought in some Theory of Constraints thinking and applied it. Take a look at Dr. Goldratt's paper on Strategy & Tactic Trees

(http://www.vancouver.wsu.edu/fac/holt/em534/Goldratt/Strategic-Tactic.html)

I realize this is another level of terminology, but at the simplest GTD thinking, strategy = outcome and tactic = action. Each level of the tree represents an altitude. At the top is your Ultimate Outcome, what is your life mission or purpose (In TOC terms, what is the Goal?). The next level is for your long term goals (40,000 ft), 1 year goals (30,000 ft), quarterly objectives (20,000 ft), projects (10,000 ft) and finally the runway objectives (next actions completed).

Developing an S&T Tree is a pretty daunting task, and I'm not saying you should create one for your whole life, I have found the concepts useful when working on projects where I was taking action but not getting the results I expected. I've found it helpful in identifying outcomes that were necessary conditions for higher level outcomes, as well as un-necessary activities that were taking up focus.

Focus Areas/Areas of Management/Categories of Improvement are simply another way of slicing the object. if you look at altitudes, in Dr. Goldratt's paper they are horizontal divisions. The other division is Vertical; you might have faith, family, finances, & fitness as focus areas for example and these might (or might not) be sub-divided at lower levels into finer areas. Fitness might be divided into medical, exercise, & nutrition for example.

Perspective: In addition to the different level of Outcome that David puts into altitude, the perspective (time horizon) at each level is different, e.g. ASAP/this week, ~3 months, 1 year, 3 years, life etc.

Control: David talks about control at the runway, which is where it is easily applied but it is not the only type of control that we have. At the project level, Control happens through project (and higher objective) planning and through the regular reviews. So while it isn't as simple as control only being at the runway, we can make adjustements at higher altitudes.

Finally one of the things that is subtle in GTD is the importance of knowing your higher purpose. OPA/RPM requires a purpose for each and every block (GTD project equivilent), and while this is nice, it is not strictly necessary. If you know your highest purpose then from the S&T tree your higher purpose should drive the runway level next action.

sdann;61871 said:
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Tony Robbins' method was great for the top, but I found the runway or the practical applications really lacking. This is why I'm such a GTD fan. I also see how the two can be meshed, but only at the higher levels.

Meshing the two at the runway is equally simple. It just comes down to realizing which of your RPM/OPA blocks you will schedule on your calendar. Once you do that, schedule time for your must projects you then use your discretionary time to work your next action lists. GTD's rule of what goes on your calendar are only those things that must be done on a particular day. It's simply a matter of what your standards are.

For any TOC folk out there, GTD is simply drum(discretionary time)-buffer(next action lists)-rope(weekly review). For your musts you can also apply critical chain to your project based work (calendared project time). I've been working on a white paper that ties all this together... if anyone is interested ping me privately and I'll forward a draft....

hope this helps...
 
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