Short version of thread about creating an ultimate password system to use for everything or all passwords originating from daniel F

[TimBourne]

A password manager serves several purposes:

It's safer than writing down passwords on paper for others to see

right so for now V says - I can just carry on using proton pass for all new passwords

It creates stronger passwords that humans usually do

erm - what your suggesting to not write passwords yourself

It remembers the passwords for you, so you don't have to

Yeah

Also, keep in mind that users of this forum have other obligations than contributing in the forum...

Right I have impaired short term memory from mercury literally




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[TimBourne]

I echo 1PASSWORD. Easy to use.

oh right - but saw that proton pass was less money already

and it doesn't seem that hard to use really ? "

 

[René Lie]

erm - what your suggesting to not write passwords yourself

Absolutely!
Here's an example that I just generated with 1password:

8YVvbD4AAs_jf@rQiWkJ

That's a strong password in my opinion... And if I want, I can make it 100 charachters instead of just 20...

I have one strong master password that I need to remember, and 1password remembers the rest of them for me!

 

[TimBourne]

Absolutely!
Here's an example that I just generated with 1password:

8YVvbD4AAs_jf@rQiWkJ

That's a strong password in my opinion... And if I want, I can make it 100 charachters instead of just 20...

I have one strong master password that I need to remember, and 1password remembers the rest of them for me!

Right but V says - wouldn't you say its okay to write passwords for yourself for things which are less important ?

Then yeah, as an idea now ,maybe I could try to implement using generated passwords (for things which are more secure) seeing that is also a feature on proton pass'

How about that for a system, would that work?

STN

 

[René Lie]

Right but V says - wouldn't you say its okay to write passwords for yourself for things which are less important ?

Then yeah, as an idea now ,maybe I could try to implement using generated passwords (for things which are more secure) seeing that is also a feature on proton pass'

How about that for a system, would that work?

STN

You COULD do that, but I don't see the need personally. 1password not only remembers my passwords but also auto-fill them, so I only need 1 password (hence the name, I guess), and the tool takes care of the rest.

An added bonus with using a password manager, is that you become aware of what (and how many) accounts you actually have online!

 

[TimBourne]

You COULD do that, but I don't see the need personally. 1password not only remembers my passwords but also auto-fill them, so I only need 1 password (hence the name, I guess), and the tool takes care of the rest.

Right - when I remember using type kee pass in the past
I remember using 1 password only ,which was very long (
and then I were able to copy the passwords from the application (on the clip board of the software ) to X place on PC where needed - is that what you mean by auto fill?

and idea came to my mind - I COULD also try auto filling everything with proton pass?
cos it has a type of PIN log in -and gives options to auto generate passwords also?

I'm not sure if there's a way though being able to mathematically figure how much more 'safe' is using auto filling
compared to "write passwords for yourself for things which are less important ?"

An added bonus with using a password manager, is that you become aware of what (and how many) accounts you actually have online!

Right? erm
Well I remember my previous keepass felt like it was getting a bit tedious says V

Do you want to know the reason for writing this reply now? "

 

[René Lie]

Right - when I remember using type kee pass in the past
I remember using 1 password only ,which was very long (
and then I were able to copy the passwords from the application (on the clip board of the software ) to X place on PC where needed - is that what you mean by auto fill?

Not exactly... Auto fill is when the password manager actually fills the username and password into the fields. But you could also copy/paste.

and idea came to my mind - I COULD also try auto filling everything with proton pass?
cos it has a type of PIN log in -and gives options to auto generate passwords also?

Sounds like a good idea to me!

I'm not sure if there's a way though being able to mathematically figure how much more 'safe' is using auto filling
compared to "write passwords for yourself for things which are less important ?"

Those are two different things, and you're leaving out the fact that a password manager is capable of generating strong passwords that you and I would never be able to remember...

Right? erm
Well I remember my previous keepass felt like it was getting a bit tedious says V

Yeah, that's the thing - "secure" and "tedious" are two sides of the same coin...

 

[TimBourne]

Not exactly... Auto fill is when the password manager actually fills the username and password into the fields.

What your saying - like makes a new whole username and password

But you could also copy/paste.

from the soft ware application - erm "

Sounds like a good idea to me!

saying its better than having some passwords writing your own?

Those are two different things, and you're leaving out the fact that a password manager is capable of generating strong passwords that you and I would never be able to remember...

i was just writing my background thought - is there a way of being able put in perspective comparison - do you understand?

Yeah, that's the thing - "secure" and "tedious" are two sides of the same coin...

right im not sure its worth I spend my time right now , whilst - other things I should put my attention on says V

 

[René Lie]

What your saying - like makes a new whole username and password

I keep the username and create a new password. 1password also has a function which evaluates the strength of my passwords, and also notifies me if I have the same passwords on more than one login.

saying its better than having some passwords writing your own?

I believe that, yes - the password manager creates passwords that I wouldn't be able to come up with - let alone remember.

i was just writing my background thought - is there a way of being able put in perspective comparison - do you understand?
right im not sure its worth I spend my time right now , whilst - other things I should put my attention on says V

That's a judgement only you can make - but as a conclusion, my belief is that having a password manager is a good idea!
To bring this discussion into the context of GTD, you could consider putting "start using a password manager" on your Someday/Maybe...

 

[TimBourne]

I keep the username and create a new password. 1password also has a function which evaluates the strength of my passwords, and also notifies me if I have the same passwords on more than one login.

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I believe that, yes - the password manager creates passwords that I wouldn't be able to come up with - let alone remember.

right but that's not necessarily the best thing?

That's a judgement only you can make - but as a conclusion, my belief is that having a password manager is a good idea!

Right - but thing is - start having words to make less boring - I may result to just - writing certain passwords myself

To bring this discussion into the context of GTD, you could consider putting "start using a password manager" on your Someday/Maybe...

on my paper binder your saying?

STN

 

[René Lie]

right but that's not necessarily the best thing?

I don't know what you think is better, but in my opinion a strong password that I am not able to remember is better than a weak one that I remember or have written down - because I believe it is more secure. And as far as I know, security is the main purpose of a password.

Right - but thing is - start having words to make less boring - I may result to just - writing certain passwords myself

Do as you please I will stick with my password manager...

on my paper binder your saying?

Yep!

 

[TimBourne]

I don't know what you think is better, but in my opinion a strong password that I am not able to remember is better than a weak one that I remember or have written down - because I believe it is more secure. And as far as I know, security is the main purpose of a password.

right ' I wouldn't know what's better?
in theory your probably right Rene - to be more secure?

Do as you please I will stick with my password manager...

"well I haven't been doing that since been using new proton pass right now (which would say seems better than previous keepass)

Yep!

What - but I'm already using a password manager proton pass - is there misunderstanding? "


" to make less boring - I may result to just - writing certain passwords myself"
im not sure you understood the above
for example right now what's happening:

I still have my password note book, stick notes etc - is it worth myself transferring these over to proton pass and deleting the(binning the physical version (is what I meant by a boring task/activity)

a small amount of end of day - would you say that is worth while for example ? Y or N?

V says - it seems good that proton pass is actually auto saving all my passwords right now - so means ones from note book getting auto put on the soft ware

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[TimBourne]

I don't know what you think is better, but in my opinion a strong password that I am not able to remember is better than a weak one that I remember or have written down - because I believe it is more secure. And as far as I know, security is the main purpose of a password.

Do as you please I will stick with my password manager...

Yep!

' Up to this moment in time I realised - I haven't taken the suggestions of this thread, what you suggested about passwords password implementation using the type of proton pass
erm

and physically feel like
how I still - have ...

erm
well organization of my room isn't best

and isn't best - how have this type of hard to read password book I am referring to - for example spent over half an hour - looking over these things/details ? you understand

"but at same time feel struggle to implement to full "digital proton " idea - do you understand?

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[René Lie]

' Up to this moment in time I realised - I haven't taken the suggestions of this thread, what you suggested about passwords password implementation using the type of proton pass
erm

and physically feel like
how I still - have ...

erm
well organization of my room isn't best

and isn't best - how have this type of hard to read password book I am referring to - for example spent over half an hour - looking over these things/details ? you understand

"but at same time feel struggle to implement to full "digital proton " idea - do you understand?

STN

I understand that starting to use a password manager can seem daunting, but in my experience it's worth it!

Just like any other project, you can break things down. Just implement the password manager for one or a few password(s) and see how it feels, then keep going until you're done!

 

[gtdstudente]

I understand that starting to use a password manager can seem daunting, but in my experience it's worth it!

Just like any other project, you can break things down. Just implement the password manager for one or a few password(s) and see how it feels, then keep going until you're done!

@René Lie

Indeed . . . try, try again until [GTD] done !

 

[TimBourne]

I understand that starting to use a password manager can seem daunting, but in my experience it's worth it!

Just like any other project, you can break things down. Just implement the password manager for one or a few password(s) and see how it feels, then keep going until you're done!

' I'm not sure you understand

I'm writing - I'm not at your same personal level with proton pass ( gave reasons in the past past - can see or should I post them next

Could you give me suggestions how I can make it so get to goal of all passwords on proton pass (and no in physical writing) cos you said that's best"

or @gtdstudente "

SV

 

[René Lie]

' I'm not sure you understand

I'm writing - I'm not at your same personal level with proton pass ( gave reasons in the past past - can see or should I post them next

Could you give me suggestions how I can make it so get to goal of all passwords on proton pass (and no in physical writing) cos you said that's best"

or @gtdstudente "

SV

Maybe I don't understand, but you shared that you spent half an hour looking at your book with passwords. If you use a password manager, it's all taken care of for you!

 

[TimBourne]

Maybe I don't understand, but you shared that you spent half an hour looking at your book with passwords. If you use a password manager, it's all taken care of for you!

OK

but - how do I transfer the passwords from "book" to the manager?

SV
WE
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[René Lie]

OK

but - how do I transfer the passwords from "book" to the manager?

SV
WE
STN

You don't, you let the password manager create new, strong passwords for you!

 

[TimBourne]

You don't, you let the password manager create new, strong passwords for you!

'
but what should I do with the "old book that I have" for example?

SV