Considering Switching to Nirvana from FacileThings, Thoughts?

mcogilvie

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I consider Split View an iPad UI design error not worth the development time. @mcogilvie
I don’t use split screen all that often myself, but sometimes it is an efficient way to get information from one app to another. Share sheets are another, as are data detectors. I use all three. There’s other stuff Apple put into iPadOS that I have no idea how to use. What does three fingers dragged diagonally across the screen do?. No clue.
 

bcmyers2112

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I switched from Evernote to Nirvana for my GTD lists some months ago but I'm thinking of jumping ship. It's gotten to the point where I dread using the tool and it's causing me to avoid engaging with my system.

On the one hand, if you're looking for software with a faithful GTD implementation, Nirvana is about as close as you can get. Right out of the box, Nirvana is compliant with GTD principles. So there is that.

On the other hand, I find Nirvana's interface maddeningly clunky. For example, I like to name projects to reflect the desired outcome. So if my toilet breaks and I'm going to tackle that myself, I might name the project "fix toilet" or "repair toilet." But let's say I enter an action that I want to add to the project. The only way to do it is to select the project from a pick list using the mouse. What if I can't remember whether I named the project "fix" the toilet or "repair" the toilet? Then I have to scroll through the list to find it.

If you capture an action and then realize as you're doing so that it's really a project, there is also no way to create a project from within the next action creation window. So that's another problem for me.

There's also no easy way to create a next action from an item you've added to the inbox. And any item you add to Someday/Maybe is treated as a one-off action; if you want to add a someday/maybe *project* you have to do that from the projects list. I'd rather have Someday/Maybe be a catch-all list of items that can be promoted to next actions or projects as I see fit.

The only way to add items to the inbox in Nirvana are manually or via email. I use Siri pretty heavily, but Nirvana doesn't integrate with Siri. I also have an Apple Watch, but Nirvana has no Apple Watch app. So I can't take advantage of these tools with Nirvana.

Oh, and in the mobile app if I want to view all of my next actions tagged "errands" I have to either use the left-hand menu to scroll to the errands tag -- going past all of my contacts and other tags (waiting fors have to be tagged with a contact in Nirvana) -- or I have to use filters which takes SEVEN TAPS. That's right. SEVEN. That's NUTS.

Finally, the UI isn't very easy on my eyes and I find it sometimes difficult to read. Yes, I'm a nearly-50-year-old guy with invisible bifocals, but my vision is 20-20 with my glasses. :)

I'm looking at Nozbe and Todoist as alternatives with a strong leaning right now towards Nozbe. Both require some workarounds for GTD but they address all the other issues. For example, both allow the creation of a project from within the new task window, and you can also attach a task to a project by typing a keyword to perform an automated search of the project list.

In fairness to the developers of Nirvana, it sounds like they have a small team and they're doing the best they can with the resources they have. And the GTD crowd is kind of a niche market.

Now some people may read this and think, "Gee, none of those things that are problems for him would be issues for me! And software that has a near-perfect GTD implementation sounds pretty good." Well, then, Nirvana might be just right for you. It's certainly a viable option. I don't like it personally but YMMV.
 

bcmyers2112

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Oh, one other thing: if you set up a recurring task in Nirvana, it creates a new task whether you completed the prior one or not. Not every recurring task has a hard due date in my life. So that's another thing that drives me nuts and a flaw I don't usually see present in other solutions.
 

Lopatamd

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Do you know or teasing me on that :) lol They post nothing, share nothing, and do nothing update wise so it is so frustrating. I asked them in November they said its coming.... Now it is March and its coming....

I wish they would post something.... It seems like such a strong tool with some added features it would be a home run.
dude what are you talking about.... they are posting
 

Lopatamd

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On the other hand, I find Nirvana's interface maddeningly clunky. For example, I like to name projects to reflect the desired outcome. So if my toilet breaks and I'm going to tackle that myself, I might name the project "fix toilet" or "repair toilet." But let's say I enter an action that I want to add to the project. The only way to do it is to select the project from a pick list using the mouse. What if I can't remember whether I named the project "fix" the toilet or "repair" the toilet? Then I have to scroll through the list to find it.
What's so difficult about drag and dropping an action to the Project on the left bar? that's one of the cool features..

If you capture an action and then realize as you're doing so that it's really a project, there is also no way to create a project from within the next action creation window. So that's another problem for me.
sorry, you're doing it wrong. You don't create stuff in 'Next Actions' but you create the stuff first in your INBOX.
Then when you process them just DRAG and DROP it to the ProjectList and it will be created as a project.
Then inside it you can create more actions for that project...

There's also no easy way to create a next action from an item you've added to the inbox. And any item you add to Someday/Maybe is treated as a one-off action; if you want to add a someday/maybe *project* you have to do that from the projects list. I'd rather have Someday/Maybe be a catch-all list of items that can be promoted to next actions or projects as I see fit.
you can do all of that stuff by using Drag and Drop.. if you have something in your 'Someday' List, just drag it to ProjectList and it will be created as a Project...


The only way to add items to the inbox in Nirvana are manually or via email. I use Siri pretty heavily, but Nirvana doesn't integrate with Siri. I also have an Apple Watch, but Nirvana has no Apple Watch app. So I can't take advantage of these tools with Nirvana.
no, but you can the other tools as CAPTURING only and then using Nirvana to process them.
Basically you can capture stuff on your iphone list or whatever and then later during the day instead of 'copying' that captured stuff to the Nirvana Inbox, you just process them so you can straight add them to the Scheduled List or create a project for that or putting them in SomedayList.


Oh, and in the mobile app if I want to view all of my next actions tagged "errands" I have to either use the left-hand menu to scroll to the errands tag -- going past all of my contacts and other tags (waiting fors have to be tagged with a contact in Nirvana) -- or I have to use filters which takes SEVEN TAPS. That's right. SEVEN. That's NUTS.
hm on android app, in the NextActions page we can select the 'tags' ..so maybe thats a problem of the iphone app ;P

Finally, the UI isn't very easy on my eyes and I find it sometimes difficult to read. Yes, I'm a nearly-50-year-old guy with invisible bifocals, but my vision is 20-20 with my glasses. :)
they have DarkMode on the desltop app.. you should check it out. it's amazing ;)
 

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When Nirvana was first introduced years ago, I thought it was a clone of Things (I think Things 1 was still the current version). It seemed like they were Things for non-MAC users. They only had the web version back then and they were free and in Beta a very long time. Look at where Things has gone and where Nirvana still is. I say that acknowledging that Cultured Code is very deliberate with their updates as well. Nirvana is clunky, they don't communicate well, and they seem to take a long time to introduce updates and features. They have a good platform to build on and one that is rather simple to use. Unfortunately, I am committed to cloud storage, and a subscription service where i basically do not have control over my experience because I committed to blocks of time regardless of the updates. Plus I am generally paying for time upfront. It is a program that just lacks what i am looking for in GTD software.
 

Mateusz

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I switched from Evernote to Nirvana for my GTD lists some months ago but I'm thinking of jumping ship. It's gotten to the point where I dread using the tool and it's causing me to avoid engaging with my system.

On the one hand, if you're looking for software with a faithful GTD implementation, Nirvana is about as close as you can get. Right out of the box, Nirvana is compliant with GTD principles. So there is that.

On the other hand, I find Nirvana's interface maddeningly clunky. For example, I like to name projects to reflect the desired outcome. So if my toilet breaks and I'm going to tackle that myself, I might name the project "fix toilet" or "repair toilet." But let's say I enter an action that I want to add to the project. The only way to do it is to select the project from a pick list using the mouse. What if I can't remember whether I named the project "fix" the toilet or "repair" the toilet? Then I have to scroll through the list to find it.

If you capture an action and then realize as you're doing so that it's really a project, there is also no way to create a project from within the next action creation window. So that's another problem for me.

There's also no easy way to create a next action from an item you've added to the inbox. And any item you add to Someday/Maybe is treated as a one-off action; if you want to add a someday/maybe *project* you have to do that from the projects list. I'd rather have Someday/Maybe be a catch-all list of items that can be promoted to next actions or projects as I see fit.

The only way to add items to the inbox in Nirvana are manually or via email. I use Siri pretty heavily, but Nirvana doesn't integrate with Siri. I also have an Apple Watch, but Nirvana has no Apple Watch app. So I can't take advantage of these tools with Nirvana.

Oh, and in the mobile app if I want to view all of my next actions tagged "errands" I have to either use the left-hand menu to scroll to the errands tag -- going past all of my contacts and other tags (waiting fors have to be tagged with a contact in Nirvana) -- or I have to use filters which takes SEVEN TAPS. That's right. SEVEN. That's NUTS.

Finally, the UI isn't very easy on my eyes and I find it sometimes difficult to read. Yes, I'm a nearly-50-year-old guy with invisible bifocals, but my vision is 20-20 with my glasses. :)

I'm looking at Nozbe and Todoist as alternatives with a strong leaning right now towards Nozbe. Both require some workarounds for GTD but they address all the other issues. For example, both allow the creation of a project from within the new task window, and you can also attach a task to a project by typing a keyword to perform an automated search of the project list.

In fairness to the developers of Nirvana, it sounds like they have a small team and they're doing the best they can with the resources they have. And the GTD crowd is kind of a niche market.

Now some people may read this and think, "Gee, none of those things that are problems for him would be issues for me! And software that has a near-perfect GTD implementation sounds pretty good." Well, then, Nirvana might be just right for you. It's certainly a viable option. I don't like it personally but YMMV.
At some points, I have very similar feelings. That's why I strongly support Everdo project. It has all the good things that Nirvana has and great roadmap.
 

mcogilvie

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When Nirvana was first introduced years ago, I thought it was a clone of Things (I think Things 1 was still the current version). It seemed like they were Things for non-MAC users. They only had the web version back then and they were free and in Beta a very long time. Look at where Things has gone and where Nirvana still is. I say that acknowledging that Cultured Code is very deliberate with their updates as well.
If you look at the version history of Things 3, you see that they are up to 3.12, with new features coming about every 3 months. Sinice the initial release of Things 3, they have been remarkably disciplined and productive In their development. I have been running their betas on all four platforms for years now with very few problems. The new features aren’t always flashy, but always solid and thoughtful.
 

mcogilvie

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I switched from Evernote to Nirvana for my GTD lists some months ago but I'm thinking of jumping ship. It's gotten to the point where I dread using the tool and it's causing me to avoid engaging with my system.

On the one hand, if you're looking for software with a faithful GTD implementation, Nirvana is about as close as you can get. Right out of the box, Nirvana is compliant with GTD principles. So there is that.

On the other hand, I find Nirvana's interface maddeningly clunky. For example, I like to name projects to reflect the desired outcome. So if my toilet breaks and I'm going to tackle that myself, I might name the project "fix toilet" or "repair toilet." But let's say I enter an action that I want to add to the project. The only way to do it is to select the project from a pick list using the mouse. What if I can't remember whether I named the project "fix" the toilet or "repair" the toilet? Then I have to scroll through the list to find it.

If you capture an action and then realize as you're doing so that it's really a project, there is also no way to create a project from within the next action creation window. So that's another problem for me.

There's also no easy way to create a next action from an item you've added to the inbox. And any item you add to Someday/Maybe is treated as a one-off action; if you want to add a someday/maybe *project* you have to do that from the projects list. I'd rather have Someday/Maybe be a catch-all list of items that can be promoted to next actions or projects as I see fit.

The only way to add items to the inbox in Nirvana are manually or via email. I use Siri pretty heavily, but Nirvana doesn't integrate with Siri. I also have an Apple Watch, but Nirvana has no Apple Watch app. So I can't take advantage of these tools with Nirvana.

Oh, and in the mobile app if I want to view all of my next actions tagged "errands" I have to either use the left-hand menu to scroll to the errands tag -- going past all of my contacts and other tags (waiting fors have to be tagged with a contact in Nirvana) -- or I have to use filters which takes SEVEN TAPS. That's right. SEVEN. That's NUTS.

Finally, the UI isn't very easy on my eyes and I find it sometimes difficult to read. Yes, I'm a nearly-50-year-old guy with invisible bifocals, but my vision is 20-20 with my glasses. :)

I'm looking at Nozbe and Todoist as alternatives with a strong leaning right now towards Nozbe. Both require some workarounds for GTD but they address all the other issues. For example, both allow the creation of a project from within the new task window, and you can also attach a task to a project by typing a keyword to perform an automated search of the project list.

In fairness to the developers of Nirvana, it sounds like they have a small team and they're doing the best they can with the resources they have. And the GTD crowd is kind of a niche market.

Now some people may read this and think, "Gee, none of those things that are problems for him would be issues for me! And software that has a near-perfect GTD implementation sounds pretty good." Well, then, Nirvana might be just right for you. It's certainly a viable option. I don't like it personally but YMMV.
I’m with you on this one. Nirvana is conceptually good but it is clunky. When it come to UI, it Is wonderful when actions that make sense to us just work, and a little painful when we have to think more about how to do something than what we are doing and why.
 

bcmyers2112

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I’m with you on this one. Nirvana is conceptually good but it is clunky. When it come to UI, it Is wonderful when actions that make sense to us just work, and a little painful when we have to think more about how to do something than what we are doing and why.
Moreover, a subscription price of $5.05 per month (for a monthly commitment) is in my estimation a little too much to pay for software that leaves so much to be desired.
 
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