GTD rutt “per say” - symptoms of autism ASD - Asana list manager messy or cluttered- looking for new list manager suggestions "

[TimBourne]

'also @gtdstudente

the reason showed this picture -was because I was hesitant to finish the same copy as yourself

But I suppose there's no harm in doing it

I could always - just trial a different version of binder in future - if also wanted try test using litearlly the previous type format template you mentioned

STN?

24hr'

 

[TimBourne]

Depends if you prefer digital of paper.
Apple note is a very powerfull and simple app for gtd. On another hand paper gives a better control. I always thought that when you begin gtd it would be better to stay on paper for almost one year.

Take a paper binder and write a sheet for every subjects. Habits for examole and jot your habits. If you notice you like seeing your email at 10 pm write it. Review these notes regularly. It is the kaizen way.

May i confess to you something ?
You know i love testing software. I tested many softwareand went quiet far with omnifocus which can be sincerely sometime complicated. Nothing is worth paper. That s remind me what ryder caroll said about the bullet journal. He suffers of hdhd. The bujo gaves him a sense of control. I think the more we makes s’things complex the more it means it is unclear and unclarified

Clarify is a crucial strp in gtd. Diving into a software or changing all the time is a mistake. I made it and still do sometime

In fact gtd principle are simple. Every item in your system must be updated in less than 20 second if it is not there is a problem

"Take a paper binder and write a sheet for every subjects. Habits for examole and jot your habits. If you notice you like seeing your email at 10 pm write it. Review these notes regularly. It is the kaizen way." THIS IS YOUR FIRST INSTRUCTION ! in this thread

your saying I should write down all my habits? "

 

[TimBourne]

Yes try paper for a Year if possible and stick to GTD principles


It's a mental process. Science has proved that the brain has a better acceptance with paper than with digital. Digital is like a bottomless pit. See Ryder Carol videos about the power of writing on you tube
https://www.youtube.com/@bulletjournal
+ first see the video of Ryder about what is the bullet journal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm15cmYU0IM

I left comment on that video:

We keep track of things, there are lots to track, I needed a system. bullet journal is an analogy system, let me show how to set it up. To get started looked to first blank, set it up - title both index, title both future log, many ways set this up, example using ruler @1minMonthly logWrite down everything need get done each month.This is know now as rapid logging.Now show the monthly log, now take the moments.If it is worth that time.Copy the entry into monthly log.Correspond.Difference between being busy and being productive, migrate all the notes, collections are great way.For tips visit bullet journal. "

I feel like wouldn't be able put the video information into practice right now " [cos its literally more important to finish doing what were saying about paper binder]

V says - is there any other videos from that channel you recommend?

erm - cos I saw that youtuber also recommended in thumbnails, was contemplating watching, but never did up to now

The bullet journal method is close to GTD in many ways. As we speak about GTD, I won't explain here.


A binder is that
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I mean that every system must be able to let you find every information in less than 20 second
In every good software if you'r looking to something the search field show you a list then you go to what your are searching. On paper it can be longer for example if I search a paper folder it takes me less than 30 second (every thing is sorted alphabetically.)

STN

 

[TimBourne]

Depends if you prefer digital of paper.
Apple note is a very powerfull and simple app for gtd. On another hand paper gives a better control. I always thought that when you begin gtd it would be better to stay on paper for almost one year.

Take a paper binder and write a sheet for every subjects. Habits for examole and jot your habits. If you notice you like seeing your email at 10 pm write it. Review these notes regularly. It is the kaizen way.

or "write a sheet for every subjects." -you already gave example templates of format/lists (in posts after this right - your saying those or enough or I can add more subjects? how many subjects is too many? "


you wrote type error "habits for example" jot your habits
your suggesting - put habits as a project title
how of ten should I review?

"If you notice you like seeing your email at 10 pm write it. Review these notes regularly." are you suggesting that I just write a list of everything I do habitually - ( routine) , should review it and - think how improve? *1

May i confess to you something ?
You know i love testing software. I tested many softwareand went quiet far with omnifocus which can be sincerely sometime complicated. Nothing is worth paper. That s remind me what ryder caroll said about the bullet journal. He suffers of hdhd. The bujo gaves him a sense of control. I think the more we makes s’things complex the more it means it is unclear and unclarified

Clarify is a crucial strp in gtd. Diving into a software or changing all the time is a mistake. I made it and still do sometime

In fact gtd principle are simple. Every item in your system must be updated in less than 20 second if it is not there is a problem

*1 @10 48 - I just tried doing an example of this for three things and am not sure how helpful it is"

STN

 

[TimBourne]

1

Also herein @FocusGuy

- YouTube

Auf YouTube findest du die angesagtesten Videos und Tracks. Außerdem kannst du eigene Inhalte hochladen und mit Freunden oder gleich der ganzen Welt teilen.

www.youtube.com

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Auf YouTube findest du die angesagtesten Videos und Tracks. Außerdem kannst du eigene Inhalte hochladen und mit Freunden oder gleich der ganzen Welt teilen.

www.youtube.com

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The analogy journal from the digital calendar " first video comparing analogue to digital ... lets start with digital calendar, its hard to argue against the strengthsHere is the downside , digital Calendars are mainly fore goarind schedulingBullet journaling is useful for looking backI advise using a Calendar in bullet journal drawing writing one out1:40 bullet journal strength - focuses on why scheduling what you schedulingIn bullet journal, actually reflect on journal after it happened, of course we do need to plan for future tooHere's my First we have daily ritual, can track what did thoughtUsing simple system of coded bulleted notes, End of day, will update daily log, next have weekly ritual during of which we set up weekly log, can take those actions and block those out on my CalendarIf want get more deliberate , can set up a monthly log, contains time line and action plan, creates much more accurate move of out experienceTimelines help track and compareThen once set timeline, I then set action planOnce my action plan is complete I block out individual dirtSo why not put everything in CalendarWhen I would use digital Calendars …'just cos something can be done, doesn't mean should be done'Committing to investing two most value resourcesMost tasks don't do tasksNow comparedWhich one go with? Don't think one or another, think it is both, by combining I have a complete system
"

where - says he does both google calendar and type of physical analogy journal which I don't fully understand

erm , I had the idea to watch that video - cos in my reality, felt like for a while actually my digital calendar isn't 100% following the GTD system , has some major problems

And I could also add this to my @NA on paper binder now - if I leave this on my - tab open Says V ?

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[fooddude]

*scanned over the two images first*
You show two pictures, jpegs - with a type of preconceived erm what's the word looking for "a template "

right?

the image isn't best visible on my screen?

*your saying on the right of the screen?



But I rarely use my phone for calls?

right

What do you mean ? what about priotization typo - prioritization ?

1 page?

oh right? then what

"Most people go that's it?" -
Idea - so maybe I will use your system here - if seems like persons focus @FocusGuy doesn't further share more clear images , of the previous 2 images he uploaded?


S TN

But I rarely use my phone for calls?-I use @ phone context for things I can only do on my phone. Calles and Texts. My @computer are things I can do on my laptop or phone but are computer things.
What do you mean ? what about priotization typo - prioritization ?- I don't prioritize. I can only do something if I'm at that context. It doesn't matter how important an @ work item is if I'm not at work. Of course, I know what is important and urgent.
1 page?- I tried to keep my lists to one page. But I never used the back of a page. I didn't want to miss something on the back page. That was too easy to do.
oh right? then what- When you cross the project off the list, then you're done with that project.
The images were just examples of how I did projects and next actions on paper. Just to show how simple it is. List of projects and List of next action in contexts for each project. What I did on paper is what I do now on Apple Notes. Hope this helps.

 

[TimBourne]

But I rarely use my phone for calls?-I use @ phone context for things I can only do on my phone. Calles and Texts. My @computer are things I can do on my laptop or phone but are computer things.

right your saying I should add these to my focus guy paper binder?

What do you mean ? what about priotization typo - prioritization ?- I don't prioritize. I can only do something if I'm at that context. It doesn't matter how important an @ work item is if I'm not at work. Of course, I know what is important and urgent.

Right ?

1 page?- I tried to keep my lists to one page. But I never used the back of a page. I didn't want to miss something on the back page. That was too easy to do.

Right , so is that a mistake I made - using both sides , when I recently started adding stuff to my @FocusGuy paper binder?

oh right? then what- When you cross the project off the list, then you're done with that project.

right are you saying to bin it after that?

The images were just examples of how I did projects and next actions on paper. Just to show how simple it is. List of projects and List of next action in contexts for each project. What I did on paper is what I do now on Apple Notes. Hope this helps.

right - I mentioned before, I am trailing focus guy pictures suggestions he shared works first , before taking your advice "

thanks for getting back here

even though focus guy just "liked my posts above", not replying

STN

 

[TimBourne]

people is agenda's list. for all conversation you have with them. IF you have someone with a lot of subject (Like a boss) use a single sheet of paper. Tickler is after sheet novembre, December, 2025... Reference = alphabetical sheets. If you have few it goes into the binder, if a lot another binder (some prefer a paper folder per subject into a box or a drawer)

Then that's OK you have your basic system. now just do it. Use it and see how it works.

Respect GTD Rules : the 5 steps and just do it as says Nike !

Herein,

When focus guy - replied back to my paper GTD thread, writing in certain single posts about the topic of journaling (instead of digital GTD)
'it gave me a certain feeling- because in the past actually he himself mentioned "journaling" in sperate thread (where when I was originally conversing with him on that thread I wasn't able to understand 100% the information's he was trying to share

But I believe he basically just follows the recommendations by bullet journal

And it makes me think - with the high quality content uploaded by bullet journal I should be able to learn or follow (his teachings by studying his videos further?

That’s, but its worth I confirm I got this right, reply this where focus guy last wrote to me

STN?

 

[TimBourne]

I left comment on that video:

We keep track of things, there are lots to track, I needed a system. bullet journal is an analogy system, let me show how to set it up. To get started looked to first blank, set it up - title both index, title both future log, many ways set this up, example using ruler @1minMonthly logWrite down everything need get done each month.This is know now as rapid logging.Now show the monthly log, now take the moments.If it is worth that time.Copy the entry into monthly log.Correspond.Difference between being busy and being productive, migrate all the notes, collections are great way.For tips visit bullet journal. "

I feel like wouldn't be able put the video information into practice right now " [cos its literally more important to finish doing what were saying about paper binder]

V says - is there any other videos from that channel you recommend?

erm - cos I saw that youtuber also recommended in thumbnails, was contemplating watching, but never did up to now


STN

ITM
Herein @FocusGuy following this up

i see the persons has a [https://bulletjournal.com/products/...d?utm_source=youtube&utm_medium=product_shelf] in the description - trying to sell a 200 dollar course'

V said - focus guy did you just entirely learn this persons journaling system by watching his free videos first? - you didn't mention your background how you came to journaling?

Maybe that's what I should focus on first , just trying to study learn analyse his free content first"

STN

 

[TimBourne]

But I rarely use my phone for calls?-I use @ phone context for things I can only do on my phone. Calles and Texts. My @computer are things I can do on my laptop or phone but are computer things.
What do you mean ? what about priotization typo - prioritization ?- I don't prioritize. I can only do something if I'm at that context. It doesn't matter how important an @ work item is if I'm not at work. Of course, I know what is important and urgent.
1 page?- I tried to keep my lists to one page. But I never used the back of a page. I didn't want to miss something on the back page. That was too easy to do.
oh right? then what- When you cross the project off the list, then you're done with that project.
The images were just examples of how I did projects and next actions on paper. Just to show how simple it is. List of projects and List of next action in contexts for each project. What I did on paper is what I do now on Apple Notes. Hope this helps.

Also I see https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0525533...06d1585f3d2eaab6c55c5&tag=thebulletjournal-20 product - seems cheap on amazon paper back - is it better that I actually try to study this physical version , if I feel with myself had certain problems taking everything in from the free videos alone ?"

Did @FocusGuy study this book? "

S

 

[FocusGuy]

ITM
Herein @FocusGuy following this up

i see the persons has a [https://bulletjournal.com/products/...d?utm_source=youtube&utm_medium=product_shelf] in the description - trying to sell a 200 dollar course'

V said - focus guy did you just entirely learn this persons journaling system by watching his free videos first? - you didn't mention your background how you came to journaling?

Maybe that's what I should focus on first , just trying to study learn analyse his free content first"

STN

Hello
I won t speak anymore about the bullet journal as this forum is about gtd. The book you saw is the one from Ryder caroll. His method is nice but different from gtd but both can be combined. Personnally i stopped using the bullet journal method and use GTD only. It tooks too much time to update and optimize. i realized I could do the same with GTD. GTD works very well with me. My advice would be what ever you choose to stick to one method for at least 6 month. Mixing systems needs a lot of practice and time and leads to confusion what is dangerous exept if you are expérimented and get years of GTD. GTD is almost perfect (exept may be for planning for people who like too very well explained ZTD)
So try one, stick to it and see what happens

 

[TimBourne]

Hello

T *1

I won t speak anymore about the bullet journal as this forum is about gtd.

oh right - I thought from your post sharing B J - you were trying to show its possible to implement B J with GTD?

The book you saw is the one from Ryder caroll.

Right he is bullet journal'

His method is nice but different from gtd but both can be combined.

This is what you were trying to persuade me to do in your previous post reply SV'

Personnally i stopped using the bullet journal method and use GTD only.

oh right - so how come you shared resources of B J like 1 - 2 weeks ago?'

It tooks too much time to update and optimize.

Right'

i realized I could do the same with GTD. GTD works very well with me. My advice would be what ever you choose to stick to one method for at least 6 month.

Yeah OK'

Mixing systems needs a lot of practice and time and leads to confusion what is dangerous exept if you are expérimented and get years of GTD

Right'

. GTD is almost perfect (exept may be for planning for people who like too very well explained ZTD)
So try one, stick to it and see what happens

... right - do you have any experience yourself with ZTD?
V said how do I figure whats best?

I feel like I can't stop over thinking?

For example
idea says 1)- if ZTD is suppose to be simpler should I trial that first?

2)or just stick to GTD - with yourself trying to further reply to me(if I don't know much about ZTD (could answer this END question?))

S

*1 THANKS FOR GETTING BACK

s

 

[TimBourne]

Hello
I won t speak anymore about the bullet journal as this forum is about gtd. The book you saw is the one from Ryder caroll. His method is nice but different from gtd but both can be combined. Personnally i stopped using the bullet journal method and use GTD only. It tooks too much time to update and optimize. i realized I could do the same with GTD. GTD works very well with me. My advice would be what ever you choose to stick to one method for at least 6 month. Mixing systems needs a lot of practice and time and leads to confusion what is dangerous exept if you are expérimented and get years of GTD. GTD is almost perfect (exept may be for planning for people who like too very well explained ZTD)
So try one, stick to it and see what happens

Herein,

from https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=1642002123361737&set=pcb.1642002383361711

shared post with example images of paper binder so far

where - I feel
or the specific request (of attached 1 image here - is can you show pictures showing the pages lined of your paper binder?

and had V said, says - I could try to quote all the posts info where gave begging advice on setting the binder here?

2 I could manually paste all the images I took directly (like similar ot this first one) and then try to dissect ,review - how im suppose to do it perfectly

What else?
stuff like
would it have helped if I manually pasted more images in this post, like all (like the first one) of them from the facebook post?
But V says I was feeling angry

STN

 

[fooddude]

We are all just giving you examples of how we do GTD. There is no piece you are missing. No secret thing that is hidden. I think we have all said you can use paper, digital, whatever. It’s not the tools it’s the system. David Allen says he keeps his system simple because he’s lazy. Me too.
If I had ADHD I would get nine sheets of paper. Label one projects. One someday/maybe. One @phone one @computer one @errands one @home one @waiting for, one @work and one @store. I’d spend1-3 months with that actually using the system.
If I wanted to do digital, I’d make the same notes in a note app. Just keep it simple. You want to get things done not work on your system all the time. All the best.

 

[FocusGuy]

T *1

oh right - I thought from your post sharing B J - you were trying to show its possible to implement B J with GTD?

Right he is bullet journal'

This is what you were trying to persuade me to do in your previous post reply SV'

oh right - so how come you shared resources of B J like 1 - 2 weeks ago?'

Right'

Yeah OK'

Right'


... right - do you have any experience yourself with ZTD?
V said how do I figure whats best?

I feel like I can't stop over thinking?

May be...

For example
idea says 1)- if ZTD is suppose to be simpler should I trial that first?

Yes I red ZTD it is A GTD Lighter the main principles are the same except that ZTD has 2 specific added steps
- One is to plan stuff with the TPS and TPJ (in French) - great for people who like planning...
- The other is find your passion : This is the most important advice I guess.

I liked to read both. Both are interesting but David as the founder of the method is the main source. However I found ZTD interesting for the planning part and the simplification of the system. ZTD was much more simple to understand than GTD. 10 principles. Easy to read. One habit for a month... Fast and easy.

To be honest at the beginning GTD can seems complex. There are a lot of stuff in GTD and it looks me time to understand each one step by step.

I think GTD method is a diamond. Once acquired it resists to anything. When I am lost I always go back to GTD. It is my reference material and GTD goes much deeper in the system with the horizons and so on...

This is only my point of view. I will never give any advice to any one about doing or not doing. Every one is different.

 

[TimBourne]

We are all just giving you examples of how we do GTD. There is no piece you are missing. No secret thing that is hidden. I think we have all said you can use paper, digital, whatever. It’s not the tools it’s the system. David Allen says he keeps his system simple because he’s lazy. Me too.

Right okay...
why would simple - mean that you are lazy?

If I had ADHD I would get nine sheets of paper. Label one projects. One someday/maybe. One @phone one @computer one @errands one @home one @waiting for, one @work and one @store. I’d spend1-3 months with that actually using the system.

-right - the above made me think "of my asana list manager- where I have similar layout, apart from @store or @work"
right okay. *1
would get nine sheets of paper. - your saying you saw my FB hyper link in previous post and I should discounting the sheets I showed there?

If I wanted to do digital, I’d make the same notes in a note app. Just keep it simple. You want to get things done not work on your system all the time. All the best.

"right - ideally
I should move to doing digital properly after I have become better at paper GTD , like someone like Allen does digital

*1 there is just something problematic about that - I could ask a second question to you? says V

STN

 

[TimBourne]

May be...

You wrote maybe to answer to first question above? "you were trying to show its possible to implement B J with GTD?"

Yes I red ZTD it is A GTD Lighter the main principles are the same except that ZTD has 2 specific added steps

you've read a bit about ZTD before'

- One is to plan stuff with the TPS and TPJ (in French) - great for people who like planning...

TPS means what?'

- The other is find your passion : This is the most important advice I guess.

right - im not sure I fully cognized these two specific steps you wrote here from the thread I made on ZTD you *liked*'

I liked to read both.

so you've read ZTD in the past ?'

Both are interesting but David as the founder of the method is the main source.

David?'

However I found ZTD interesting for the planning part and the simplification of the system.

right - yeah '

ZTD was much more simple to understand than GTD. 10 principles. Easy to read. One habit for a month... Fast and easy.

One a month?
yeah I shared 10 principles in the thread I uploaded'

To be honest at the beginning GTD can seems complex.

Yeah'

There are a lot of stuff in GTD and it looks me time to understand each one step by step.

I think GTD method is a diamond. Once acquired it resists to anything. When I am lost I always go back to GTD.

right'

It is my reference material and GTD goes much deeper in the system with the horizons and so on...

This is only my point of view. I will never give any advice to any one about doing or not doing. Every one is different.

so from your above writing'
what I took - is you basically saying everyone needs to figure what works best for themselves'

-yourself focus guy believe your best with the GTD

So I had an idea - why don't I try to implement GTD in a style similar to yourself?
What?

or V says
It couldn't hurt myself to first try put most of my energy or focus entirely on trying to study GTD?
perhaps ZTD wouldn't be best for myself for example? "

S

 

[TimBourne]

May be...


Yes I red ZTD it is A GTD Lighter the main principles are the same except that ZTD has 2 specific added steps
- One is to plan stuff with the TPS and TPJ (in French) - great for people who like planning...
- The other is find your passion : This is the most important advice I guess.

I liked to read both. Both are interesting but David as the founder of the method is the main source. However I found ZTD interesting for the planning part and the simplification of the system. ZTD was much more simple to understand than GTD. 10 principles. Easy to read. One habit for a month... Fast and easy.

To be honest at the beginning GTD can seems complex. There are a lot of stuff in GTD and it looks me time to understand each one step by step.

I think GTD method is a diamond. Once acquired it resists to anything. When I am lost I always go back to GTD. It is my reference material and GTD goes much deeper in the system with the horizons and so on...

This is only my point of view. I will never give any advice to any one about doing or not doing. Every one is different.

ITM

ITM the previous day I subscribed to bullet journal and received

But at the same time

I haven't - go
set up the basics of GTD

so this should go on a someday maybe list can you confirm this thinking is logical? Y or N

I am I correct in writing:
"or sad to say" - the advice you shared with me earlier of bullet journal (I wasn't ready to implement) but this should go on a someday maybe list? Y or N

after I have set up the basics of GTD with the 2 users in this thread such as @fooddude also ? "

STN

 

[TimBourne]

View attachment 2076

Herein,

from https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=1642002123361737&set=pcb.1642002383361711

shared post with example images of paper binder so far

where - I feel
or the specific request (of attached 1 image here - is can you show pictures showing the pages lined of your paper binder?

and had V said, says - I could try to quote all the posts info where gave begging advice on setting the binder here?

2 I could manually paste all the images I took directly (like similar ot this first one) and then try to dissect ,review - how im suppose to do it perfectly

What else?
stuff like
would it have helped if I manually pasted more images in this post, like all (like the first one) of them from the facebook post?
But V says I was feeling angry

STN

wait how come you didn't reply to this second post reply? @FocusGuy ? where asked 1 favour question - could you quick just upload some images of the contents papers ( of the tabs of previous binders you shared) and I would be willing to do something back for you also

I had an idea visitation to - start a dm chat with you here also copying this post says V "

STN

 

[TimBourne]

We are all just giving you examples of how we do GTD. There is no piece you are missing. No secret thing that is hidden. I think we have all said you can use paper, digital, whatever. It’s not the tools it’s the system. David Allen says he keeps his system simple because he’s lazy. Me too.
If I had ADHD I would get nine sheets of paper. Label one projects. One someday/maybe. One @phone one @computer one @errands one @home one @waiting for, one @work and one @store. I’d spend1-3 months with that actually using the system.
If I wanted to do digital, I’d make the same notes in a note app. Just keep it simple. You want to get things done not work on your system all the time. All the best.

"If I had ADHD I would get nine sheets of paper. Label one projects. One someday/maybe"
Well - I already put two type of '


paper card dividers - with the title'

"one projects. One someday/maybe"

Then all the rest "One @phone one @computer one @errands one @home one @waiting for, one @work and one @store" - ACTIONABLE would go within the "
@NA paper binder - if I were to try to follow design more like @FocusGuy - right

P.S.
you must not have looked at https://www.facebook.com/timothy.bo...U9fV2W4QVoAzJLqCZMbDeVwZ4vDmw8Az1ydqrMSj8cV7l link above? right "

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